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Win rate versus payoff

A high win rate can lose money. Here is the exact line. · 6 min

Decide first

A scalper wins 70% of trades, averaging +0.4R per win. A trend follower wins only 25%, averaging +4R. Each loss is −1R. Which one makes money?

A method makes money when its wins pay for its losses. With wins of W R and losses of 1R, the line where they exactly balance is:

break-even win rate = 1 ÷ (1 + W)
Average win0.4R0.5R1R1.5R2R3R4R
Wins needed71.4%66.7%50%40%33.3%25%20%

The win rate tells you nothing until you know the payoff, and the payoff nothing until you know the win rate. A 70% method is a loser at 0.4R; a 25% method is a winner at 4R. Put your own numbers on the map and see which side of the line they land on.

Win rate against payoff

The curve is the break-even win rate, 1 ÷ (1 + payoff). Above it a strategy makes money before costs; below it, it loses, whatever its win rate.

positive expectancy0%20%40%60%80%100%0R1R2R3R4R5RAverage win, in R (losses are 1R)Win rateScalper -0.02RSwing +0.20RTrend +0.25RYours +0.10R
StrategyWin rateAverage winBreak-evenExpectancy
Scalper70%0.4R71.4%-0.02R
Swing40%2.0R33.3%+0.20R
Trend25%4.0R20.0%+0.25R
Yours55%1.0R50.0%+0.10R

Worked example: break-even after costs

  1. Target 2R; costs 0.1R per trade (commission plus slippage).
  2. Each win nets 2 − 0.1 = 1.9R; each loss costs 1 + 0.1 = 1.1R.
  3. Break-even = 1.1 ÷ (1.9 + 1.1) = 36.7%, up from 33.3% before costs.
  4. Small costs matter most for small targets: at 0.5R the same 0.1R moves break-even from 66.7% to 73.3%.

Common mistake: win rate judged without payoff

"My strategy wins 80% of the time" is not a claim about money. Ask for the average win and the average loss before being impressed. Many high-win-rate methods take small profits quickly and let losses run, which puts them just under the line.

Check yourself

  1. Wins pay 3R and losses cost 1R. What win rate breaks even?
  2. Your method wins 60% of the time. What average win (in R, losses 1R) do you need just to break even?
  3. A 2R target, and costs (commission and slippage) of 0.05R per trade. What win rate breaks even now?

Closing round

Trade the range twice: once with 0.5R targets, once with 2R targets. Compare the win rates in the two reviews with the break-even line.

Play the round in the simulator →

The simulator's markets are generated, not real prices; the round practises the arithmetic, it does not predict anything.

Further reading: Tharp, Trade Your Way to Financial Freedom. The lesson teaches the idea in its own words and exercises.